Following on from my issues with our TomTom (Why I’m ditching TomTom and moving to Garmin… ) our new Sat Nav arrived a few days ago. I did look a the Snooper option, but there were a few limitations that I personally wasn’t comfortable with, but overall it looked a good product. I have had some great feedback from users of the Snooper and the company seems to have a really good customer service department.
I ordered our Garmin Camper 770LMT-D from Amazon ( https://amzn.to/2Vca1j4 ) for £256 and opted to add a SanDisk Extream 32GB microSDHC Memory Card (https://amzn.to/2Jem1JK ) for £10 which should give me flexibility in the future. That said, the internal memory on the 770 is already quite big at 15Gb.
Before the unit arrived, I downloaded Garmin Basecamp – there are downloads available for both Windows and Mac platforms. I also downloaded Garmin Express. Installing on a Mac was straight forward as usual. I can’t comment on the Windows version as we have not owned a Microsoft platformed device for over 13 years.
While writing this I found out what the LMT-D stands for… LMT is Lifetime Maps & Traffic and the D is DAB Radio reception.. it receives traffic updated via the inbuilt DAB radio receiver. No it can’t play DAB radio stations before you ask.
When you first install Basecamp is comes with a default Global Map….
It is not until you connect your GPS and download the updated map from it does it have all the fine detail and pre installed POI’s.
I have zoomed in to Holyhead here….
All the pre installed POI’s from the GPS show up and it makes it easy to have a mooch round the area from your desk when planning a route. I’m not going to go into too much detail about setting up your own POI’s (although they are really waypoints in Garmin’s world) or setting up Routs, tracks etc. I did find it really easy to follow Garmin’s on line video tutorial. However it took me a couple of go’s to get the information I wanted in the right fields.
Here I set up a waypoint for Southport C & M Club. Really easy and only took less than a minute. By installing Garmin Basecamp before actually receiving the 770, it gave me a chance to sit and play about with the software before getting too distracted by the new gadget. I set up about 50 waypoints, sorting them into various categories – C & M Club, Museums, Ports, Friends etc. As I was unsure what actually came pre-installed I thought it might be best to get a head start on the most common ones.
What’s installed on the Camper 770?
Really I need not have bothered too much. The Garmin Camper 770 comes with ASCI, MHF, Campercontact as well as Trip Advisor & Foursquare databases already pre-installed. As it connects to WiFi and via a phone App to the internet, you can pretty much search for any location or attraction. I’ve set ours up so it connects to the Amarok’s WiFi system for permanent internet access. You can also install Archie’s database too if you think that you need all the bases covering.
First Job – Update the 770
First job was to update the Garmin 770 with the latest maps and databases. To do this you need to install Garmin Express. Once installed, simply connect the GPS with the supplied USB lead and follow the on screen prompts. To get to the point where it starts to update only took a minute or two… inputting an email address really and naming the unit so if you have multiple Garmin products you can easily identify which GPS you have connected. It estimated that it would take around 2 hours to perform the download and all the updates, in reality it took less than 30 minutes.
Setting up the vehicle and vehicle options came next. Again really simple to do. I found the menu system is quite simple to navigate through, and it didn’t take too long to set up our rig…
You may notice the “80” Kmh sign in the top right corner. As you can input the weights of the vehicle, caravan, motorhome into the unit. It will keep an eye on the speed limits on roads. In europe where a lot of countries have lower limits for vehicles or towing combinations above certain weights…. France for example has a 3.5t cut off, above this weight and you have a lower speed limit that say a car and caravan under 3.5t on the same road. I’m sure motorhome owners who regularly travel in Europe will be more aware of these rules.
I could have got away with just the standard CAR setup for the Amarok when not towing, but as the Amarok has a body width of 1954mm (6’5″) and maximum of mirror to mirror with of 2228mm (7’3.5″) (5321mm or 17’5.5″ long if you are playing top trumps!) sometimes on a couple of width restricted roads I have had to really squeeze through, so I thought I’d set up a motorhome setting with the Amarok’s size just so I wouldn’t get caught out. And yes… that weight is correct. The MTPLM of the caravan and MPM of the Amarok totals 4770 Kgs and there are a couple of bridges in the UK I can’t legally tow over!
I’m a bit of a…. well I don’t know, when it comes to getting things right. I sat in the truck and moved the 770 around… placing it almost everywhere. I wanted it so it could be reached from either the driver or passenger seats, but not too close as it might fall into that focal length area where it’s just outside the range of either part of my bi-focal’s. I wasn’t happy with all the options available. So I thought tomorrow might bring inspiration. However all tomorrow brought was the same ‘Umm….” and “Nope…..”. The third day however did bring fourth a result….
I still wanted access to the top tray, but placing the GPS on the windscreen with the suppled mount was not an option. One, I hate things stuck to the windscreen and two, neither Sue or I could reach the screen from our normal seating position. So off to the bat cave to come up with a cunning contrivance. Half an hour later after shaping and bending some 1.5mm thick aircraft aluminium and a quick application of anti glare black… (I also followed that up with some anti glare cloth tape we used in aircraft cockpits)
It still uses the Garmin quick release mount and has the flexibility to adjust fully either way and tilt down to minimise glare if the sun is reflecting directly on it (the screen is super bright though max and hopefully this won’t be a problem). We can both still reach it and the tray in front as well as being fully accessible is a convenient place to wrest your wrist while inputting info into the GPS. I have found though the Voice Command understands a “Manc” accent really well and i haven’t had any issues using voice command.
What I like…
I do like Basecamp. I’ve found out that I can overlay OS Landranger maps which makes plotting very accurate walking routes and printing them out easy. I can also create accurate Green Lane routes for off road 4 x 4 treks and import them into the 770. You can also convert Google Map routing and import it into Basecamp and your GPS. Now this is really useful. For example… setting off from Manchester about 04:00 going to Dover to catch the 10:00 ferry sailing, however I need to fill with LPG en route. I set my departure point, arrival point and search for LPG closest to my route. I can then pick one see the estimated arrival time at that point (check that the LPG station is open) and adjust my route to take in the LPG waypoint or choose the next LPG station if I am going to arrive too early. This can then be uploaded to the 770 as a route and will adjust around traffic still directing you first to the LPG station then to your destination.
Within Basecamp you have an option to upload your waypoints to either the 770’s internal memory or the Memory Card. You can also update the memory card by removing it from the 770 and connecting it directly to your desktop device. I’ve chosen to install all my info on to the memory card rather than the 770’s internal memory… did I really need a memory card? At this point probably not but it has allowed me a bit more flexibility and when I ordered the 770 I didn’t know just how much space I’d be left with, at the moment I’ve used about 10Gb of the 15Gb internal memory. You do have the option to install additional maps on to the memory card, so for example if I wanted North America I could install it onto the removable card. There is security built in to stop maps downloaded on one device being transferred to another device.
I found the updating of the 770 using Garmin Express to be really easy too. I have been checking it every day so far just to get a fell of how often the updates come through. So far I’ve had three updates after my initial first download. I tend to suspect that maybe Garmin have a more frequent update policy, which could be a reflection of the aviation side of the business where updates are tightly scheduled and frequent to reflect any airspace and NOTAM updates. I did note that one or two things and functions in route planning within Basecamp seemed strangely familiar… until it clicked…. I’d seen and used them before in flight planning applications.
There is a couple of other features that I’ve not had before. The Garmin 770 records all your tracks… now this is really handy so when Sue say’s “Do you remember we passed such and such the other day… can we go back?” Well, I can usually remember the vague details… but being able to bring up the route we drove and doing a bit of investigation using Garmin Basecamps opens up the possibility of being able to find it again without having to resort to a darkened room, angle poise light and an impression of Herr Flick.
The other is the ability take a snapshot of the screen. I used it for a few screen shots ( like the one above showing the vehicle set up) and a few I’ve taken for a full review. I don’t know if this is a ‘feature’ that is not really a feature as it’s noever gets used…. or if it’s something I might use in the future. Might be handy for quick maps of trips or places, there again it might not. Jury’s out on that one.
I’m not able to give a full review… as we haven’t been anywhere with it yet so I can’t comment on traffic updates, turn by turn instructions, general usability or function. we are off in the next few days for five days so I’ll let you know how we get on.
… and for all those pilots out there the classic ATC…. “Resume own navigation”
Without thinking I almost bought another TT Go Camper as our current TT 1005 Camping and Caravan seems to be getting a bit tired after an update on Sunday, but luckily came to my senses, remembered the hassles with the new TT Go Camper and cancelled.
We are now seriously looking at upgrading to the Garmin however there is the 770 and the 780 so not sure which version would be better for us. Do you perhaps know what the difference is between the 770 & the 780? Being old fashioned, I don’t like using voice recognition to give it a new location.
How easy is it to switch between Car and Car and Caravan as the new TT Go Camper you need to go into two sub menus. Also if on the move can the passenger easily update the satnav to a new location? On the TT Go Camper we had to stop to enter a new destination. Are you able to see your speed, current time, time of arrival and distance left to destination on a banner on the screen.
Apologies for all the questions, but going into a shop like Halfords at the moment is out of the question for us.
Thanks Simon for the reassurance. Plus the Garmin is about £50 cheaper than the TT Go Camping.
Hi Simon. Can you please give us an update on the Garmin Camper 770LMT-D as hopefully you have been using it? Our new TT Go Camping is the worst TT we have ever bought and is very user unfriendly!
Simon Barlow said:
You know I have not found anything that makes me go “Hmmm” with the Garmin. It works, the updates are a lot lot faster than the TomTom… The route planning and way point creation is so much easier in Garmin BaseCamp to the extent I’ve created my own Camp Sites, Caravan Accessory Shop, Caravan Maintenance Facilities groups so I can just search for “nearest caravan accessory shop” for example.
We have been away at Barnard Castle for a few days and decided to return back to Manchester via the A66 to Kendal and M6 south. On the A66 it was really useful to have warnings of climbs ahead with gradients flagged as we went along and descents with gradients. Helped in judging traffic likely to overtake us and if we needed to sit back a bit for a climb ahead. Never ever thought that this would be anything other than a “they did that because they can” type of feature. The Garmin hasn’t given us a duff routing with the caravan and warned us of cross-wind locations.
Would I have another one… Yep, probably going to buy Sue her own.
In your post regarding ‘quirks and features’ of the Amarok (https://caravanchronicles.com/2016/08/13/towing-with-the-amarok/) you mention that the built in sat nav was not as good as your old TomTom (RIP) – did you ever go back to playing with the POI or other settings or is that only good as a back-up?
Simon Barlow said:
Yes, I did manage to find a way to load POI’s onto the memory card… same as you load music files on to it.
The format was a bit quirky and I had to do it long hand by adding the Lat & Long as figures. But it worked and I have about 100 back-up POI’s on there just in case now.
If you have your POI’s on a spreadsheet it makes it much easier. The down side is for example, I put the entrance to Meathop Fell site in and the Amarok’s GPS and it couldn’t handle it as it can only recognise Lat & Long that are within a specified distance of a ‘mapped’ road. Even my old 2006 Freelander’s inbuilt GPS could do better than that!
Hi Simon, I think all OEM satnavs are quirky! My own Volvo (2014 Non-touchscreen) satnav has no setting for vehicle type, so it will try its best to route you via unsuitable roads when towing. (like single track roads in Scotland) It’s also a multi-step process to enter your own POIs/saved addresses. I tend to use Google Maps, with a pre-planned route, but this falls apart if it decides to re-route due to traffic or you get a call on your phone (as happened on my way to Meathrop Fell in 2018).
I am loathe to invest in a new stand-alone Sat Nav after my old TomTom one was discarded some years ago after it became unreliable, especially with a built-in device which is fine for solo use. However, for towing I have found that the “NavMii” free Smartphone satnav (with paid options) works quite well and has the ability to set vehicle type which gives a better route for towing.
Simon Barlow said:
I did look at options for my phone… but as its an older iPhone ( I don’t upgrade often) and I like the convenience and bigger screen of a stand alone unit kind of dictated the direction I was going.
I was talking to an industry (GPS) insider and they are currently working with a number of vehicle manufacturers on a software upgraded GPS solution for current systems that include advanced mapping that most will require and the ability to not only customise the vehicle dimensions and weight, but when a trailer is detected add the info about the trailer.
The ability to store several trailers on the units was going to be a feature so I guess this indicates that it will be a semi-commercial ‘upgrade’ however I did suggest that maybe they could suggest to the vehicle manufacturers that they (the manufacturers) could offer it as part of a tow package upgrade.
I am pleased with the Garmin unit we went for, it’s lived up to what I was looking for in a GPS unit and the features seem to work well. I have had a few people contact me and state that it has directed them down totally unsuitable routes when towing. I’ve not found this in testing or actual use so far.
Peter Billsberry said:
What a great overview and thanks for the taking the time to put finger to keyboard….it’s very much appreciated….enjoy your 5 day jolly,
David Croker said:
Hi Simon, I have had my 760 camper now for 2 years and I am pleased with it. The first thing that I did to give me more memory was to delete all the languages except English and most of the voices just had English Emily left. This freed up a good 40% of memory. Bonne Chance. Dave
Simon Barlow said:
I did look at the files on the 770… and your right, looks like some can be deleted freeing up space. However I will be coming them to a spare USB drive… just in case!